Posted by: Eric Hacke | July 31, 2009

Stereotypes are stupid

I see this crap all the time and it never ceases to make me angry. (They’ve changed the title now, it used to be Women and Money, and this used to be the image beside it.) For me, it’s not a feminism issue, it’s a logic and reason issue. Do you think it’s even remotely accurate to judge a full 50% of the population (male or female) based on one massive generalization or another?


by
kenjimori

It’s everywhere all the time, in all forms of media, and many conversations. The poster for The Ugly Truth is a great example. It’s a visual distillation of one type of BS that’s constantly spouted by those devotees of gender stereotypes. Women are morally elevated above petty concerns with sexual desire and follow their heart, while men are brutish, crude and follow their crotch.

I don’t see why they didn’t take the extra step of making their message even more obvious and just have Katherine Heigel bathed in white light and suspended in the air by her own smug sense of superiority as Gerard Butler grovelled on all fours drooling, trying desperately to sniff her butt with his unshaven face.


by
urish

Anyone who has had open conversations with their friends and partners about current and past relationships knows that there are orders of magnitude more difference between any two people than there are between the sexes in general. Yet for some reason most people feel the need to seek out and attribute certain qualities to the gender as whole rather than the individual specifically, while conveniently ignoring the exceptions that disprove the rule. It’s classic example of confirmation bias.


by
mary hodder

You say anything you can think of being true for men in general, and I’m sure I could personally name half a dozen guys that would disprove that stereotype. How about a bit of a reality check? Write down the relationship histories of 100 men and 100 women under 30, complete with details such as cited breakup reasons, real breakup reasons, opinions of sexual chemistry, any commitment issues, and so on. I would bet real money that you couldn’t accurately guess the gender of each history with more than a 50% accuracy.

Fully 50% of the women I’ve dated have have had a higher libido than me and I’d consider myself an average person. Sometimes I’m more into the relationship, sometimes they are. The only detail that’s reasonably consistent is that I’m generally the more emotionally stable person in the relationship, but that’s because I’m borderline empathically inert as an individual, not because I have a penis.


by
Springsun

I read this article in the Globe and Mail, and while there is a hint of historical accuracy to it, that’s clouded over by the smog of ignorance and casual sexism, re-enforcing traditional gender roles as it goes. Without citing any studies, statistics, or even a crappy internet survey, Zosia Bielski proceeds to make all sorts generalizations about the role of women in home finance for the last 50 years.

The fact that women may have had disadvantages forced on them by societal pressures not to pursue post-secondary education is never mentioned. And forget that encouraging women to be housewives and never letting them handle money may impact their ability to balance a check book 30 years later. Those are minor insignificant details. What’s important is to continue the perception that somehow the women of today have just recently gained the genetic ability to use currency. Hurray! They’ve finally evolved!


by
Farther Along

Gender stereotypes may have had a place in our society 100 years ago when there were huge differences between the life choices available to a man and a woman. Making sex-based assumptions then may have been occasionally accurate, not because of chromosomally imposed differences in ability, but because of socially imposed ones.

But suffrage, the women’s movement, WWII, the pill, and anti-discrimination laws have changed all that. Not just for women, but for men too. We may not have equality yet, but at this point any assumptions based on gender roles are more likely to be wrong than right. Continuing to reuse, reenact, and generally re-enforce these myths only serves to belittle both sexes, and should be beneath any modern member of our society.


by
dorywithserifs


Responses

  1. Awesome. I love this post.

  2. Simply refreshing. So well put.

  3. Awesome article! :)

  4. Great post, and I have to have that seahorse bag.

  5. I want that seahorse bag. :P

    Seriously though, good post. I know so many people who go against their respective gender stereotypes; even the stupid generalization that women use more emoticons online doesn’t apply to life.

  6. Is it possible that you actually mean “equity” when you say “equality”? I would guess from your P.O.V. that you would rather us all be equitable rather than strictly equal.

  7. Thanks everybody, I came so close to not posting this because I thought it was bad, and now it’s gotten over 2300 views in a few hours. Shows what I know!

    And I totally want that seahorse bag too. Even if I got made fun of.

  8. I agree completely. Stereotypes are evidence of a mind that is deficient. Stereotypes are based on a low sample rate. BTW-Found a great example of sexism in this link:Leash Your Girl

    • I would not say the mind is deficient. There is a concept known as the monkeysphere. That humans cannot comprehend the individuality of around more than 150 people (The monkey sphere is also known as Dunbar’s Number, the number I provided is an approximation as no actual value exists). Anyone that fits into this is therefore part of the monkeysphere and part of who you would consider human. Since our human minds cannot possibly comprehend thousands, let alone millions or even billions of humans as actual individuals we use generalizations in order to allow our minds to comprehend people we do not know.

      Here would be the wiki article on this:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

      And a Cracked.com article (though a humour site it is still quite informative):
      http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

      Now do not get me wrong, I am opposed to the propagation of unhealthy stereotypes, it’s just that honestly we need them to allow general comprehension of millions of people though not all of them may fall into that stereotype.

  9. wow

  10. I think stereotypes are wrong when the person actually believes it. But I think stereotyping can be humorous if done in good taste.

  11. Stereotypes suck in general- whether it is gender related or not. People think I am crazy because I tend to be outside their boxes.

    *I am a girl and yet I don’t want a baby.
    *I don’t want stability or security from someone else-it is my job to obtain it.
    *I adore excitement
    *And I love romantic comedies, as well as the comic-book movies….

    you get the drill…

  12. The seahorse bag is pretty spiffy. A great post!

  13. Truly refreshing, it’s a shame how mainstream culture is often counter-culture, yet people think that’s the only way things are or should be. The only salvation would be individual emergent thinkers who can see and think for themselves beyond what they’ve been taught to believe. For the most part most people like that would be very sparse and invisible in society, either by their own choosing or being exponentially outnumbered and drowned out. So I am extremely relieved and grateful that people like you exist and voice your opinions. Kudos :)

  14. It seems as if you thought people wouldn’t like your post because of some assumptions you had about the audience out there – geeze eric, stereotypes are stupid.

    Nice post.

  15. Great Post. Couldn’t agree more. My son is 19 now, but YEARS ago, probably when he was 10 or so he started asking me why men were made to look so stupid on commercials and most TV shows. I’d never really thought about it, but as soon as he brought it up…dingdingding….I realized it’s EVERYWHERE! I completely agreed with him!!! love that he caught that and that we had an open, ongoing dialogue about how FALSE and misleading that notion is.

    Seriously time we moved past all of this and just SEE one another for who we are in any given moment.

    Thank You!

  16. Fabulous seahorse bag!

    Anyway, I hear about this stereotypical “women are ___, men are ____” all the time in real life. Both my and my boyfriend’s parents are convinced that he’s constantly trying to shag me, despite the fact that I have a MUCH higher libido than him. Ridiculous.

  17. Well said.

  18. Love this post, stereotypes blow….but there are a constant in our society.

  19. i agree for some reason people have their own illusion that created a greater gap in between the relationship men and women. but its more to knowing one person characteristics than just stereotyping but i guess that what people wants to see in this world sometimes the easier picture of differences.

  20. It isn’t just gender STEREOTYPES that are socially constructed constraints on human behavior, it’s the entire notion of gender itself. We’ll never really be free until we disengage ourselves from these limiting notions of what it means to be a woman or man. Can’t we all just be people?

  21. Then you probably shouldn’t see this.
    http://tubbotwins.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/stereotypes-are-our-life/

  22. It’s quite refreshing for someone to speak the truth on a subject such as this. I do believe that instinctive gender roles do exist. However, these roles have transformed into extreme stereotypes which have been clouded to great extents.

  23. Excellent post, well made and something I want to point to for feminists and non-feminists alike.

    Anthropology teaches us that there are far greater variations in a homogeneous population than there are in heterogeneous ones.

    There need to be more outspoken, rational people!

  24. i totally have to agree with this. i cant tell you how many times, even now, ive had people look down on me just because i had a vagina or use some hugely swept generalizeation. its completely not fair, not to mention said guys were left in the dust. never have i met a guy who fit in with most of the male stereotypes that were assigned to them, the same with women. for once im at least glad to see someone whos rational about something our society has stupidly imposed because of ones gender.

  25. The Force is strong in you, even though you’re a dude. (or at least that’s what I deduced from your post). =]

  26. The Seahorse bag is available!

    http://www.predicateink.com/

    (I took the photo of Rachel with the bag, but I am not affiliated with its creator).

  27. Yes yes yes!!! Agreed with every word. Thanx!!

  28. This post is fantastic…You’ve managed to say – so much more simply and entirely – several things I’ve been screaming at a lot of people lately.

    From now on, I think I’m just going to link to this post…

    Thank you.

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  31. I’m not very religious… but this gets an ‘Amen!’.

    So sick of spending the first few months of any relationship proving to someone that I’m not the person they assume before they actually take the time to get to know who I really am.

    ~Kristy~

  32. What I especially hate about the gender stereotypes is that they don’t make anybody look good. I look at the male stereotype and the female stereotype; I wouldn’t want to have to spend time with either of those douchebags.

    It’s as though your only options are beer and football or martinis and shoe shopping.

    No thanks to any of it.


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